Why so much bashing of the 09
#61
05-10-2009 | 12:51 AM
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This is exactly how i feel. There is no Experiance like Experiance. But some feel that a quick look around the truck, Quick test drive or 2nd and 3rd hand infomation is all you need to know about the 09. Most people who test drive a 09 do so in one with less than 2000 miles and thats about the point at which the 09 feels and starts to work it's best. There seems be be quite a few green eyed monsters floating around. But like cpdorroh said we got no problem with people coming on saying they dont like the truck or they think it's ugly or what ever else they dont like about it. I got better things to do with my day than go onto forums of stuff i dont own and dont intend to and post threads about the product being ugly or no good. What on earth are you doing on the 09 forum if you dont like it. But dont come on here with your so called expert non owner 5 min test driveing 3rd hand information and says it's the truth. 
Here's why I get down on the 09 F150. It was over hyped as all new and for me was a huge let down. Almost everything "new" about it is a carry over from something else.
-5.4- Largely carry over from last year with software updates
-4.6 3valve-Carry over from Explorer/Mustang.
-6 speed auto-Carry over from Expedition with updates, originally used in Explorer
-Tow Command-Carry over from SD
-Suspension and drivetrain-Carried over from last year
It's all off the shelf stuff in basicly the same truck with a 6 speed, new skin, and new interior. It has the lowest power in its class and that can not be disputed. Say what you want about this, that, or the other thing, it's lowest in its class. The front is ok, but the rear is fugly and it looks like it has a ricer wing on the back. That's the only subjective thing I've said.
You may like it and that's fine, but I'm not thrilled. Give me that 6.2 and I'll pick one up used when they get cheaper, but I'm not paying top dollar for a one new.
Mike
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05-10-2009 | 01:37 AM
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Ok so I guess you or anyone else can't talk about Toyota, Dodge, Chevy, Honda, etc because you don't own them.
Here's why I get down on the 09 F150. It was over hyped as all new and for me was a huge let down. Almost everything "new" about it is a carry over from something else.
-5.4- Largely carry over from last year with software updates
-4.6 3valve-Carry over from Explorer/Mustang.
-6 speed auto-Carry over from Expedition with updates, originally used in Explorer
-Tow Command-Carry over from SD
-Suspension and drivetrain-Carried over from last year
It's all off the shelf stuff in basicly the same truck with a 6 speed, new skin, and new interior. It has the lowest power in its class and that can not be disputed. Say what you want about this, that, or the other thing, it's lowest in its class. The front is ok, but the rear is fugly and it looks like it has a ricer wing on the back. That's the only subjective thing I've said.
You may like it and that's fine, but I'm not thrilled. Give me that 6.2 and I'll pick one up used when they get cheaper, but I'm not paying top dollar for a one new.
Mike
Here's why I get down on the 09 F150. It was over hyped as all new and for me was a huge let down. Almost everything "new" about it is a carry over from something else.
-5.4- Largely carry over from last year with software updates
-4.6 3valve-Carry over from Explorer/Mustang.
-6 speed auto-Carry over from Expedition with updates, originally used in Explorer
-Tow Command-Carry over from SD
-Suspension and drivetrain-Carried over from last year
It's all off the shelf stuff in basicly the same truck with a 6 speed, new skin, and new interior. It has the lowest power in its class and that can not be disputed. Say what you want about this, that, or the other thing, it's lowest in its class. The front is ok, but the rear is fugly and it looks like it has a ricer wing on the back. That's the only subjective thing I've said.
You may like it and that's fine, but I'm not thrilled. Give me that 6.2 and I'll pick one up used when they get cheaper, but I'm not paying top dollar for a one new.
Mike
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05-10-2009 | 05:05 AM
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Now, for those slamming on the 5.4 and saying it isn't adequate...what a load of crap. You obviously haven't driven a 04+ F-150 with the 5.4 3v and towed a load....and the 09's with that 6-speed are even more capable.
My old truck (2006 SuperCrew FX4) easily towed 6,000 to 7,000 lbs in the mountains around Seattle.
like what?
I understand the MPG statements that were beaten to death earlier in the thread...but what else?
I've argued with you before...and after my last few weeks of being on a Stealership lot damn near every day...and looking through the new 09's...I have to re-affirm my opinion of the 09's.
they are thinly veiled refreshes of the 04-08's with a few motor improvements. The front reeks of ugly, and the interior got blingy...the only true improvement is that 6-speed...which I'm in love with.
I've put almost 700 miles on my new toy so far, and the 6-speed is wicked. Ford should have released it alot sooner IMO
constructive criticism, and pointing out the indenticalities (real word?) is not bashing.
@ the OP and other overly sensitive 09 owners
My old truck (2006 SuperCrew FX4) easily towed 6,000 to 7,000 lbs in the mountains around Seattle.
My truck obviously knew a load was back there...but I had no problem pulling hills at 60 mph in 3rd gear...roughly 3,000 rpm.
The truck merged with traffic on the highway without a hickup, and was perfectly content to tow all day. The Snoqualmie Pass did slow me down a bit...but to be honest, that thing kills everything. Loaded with a trailer or not
The truck merged with traffic on the highway without a hickup, and was perfectly content to tow all day. The Snoqualmie Pass did slow me down a bit...but to be honest, that thing kills everything. Loaded with a trailer or not
I understand the MPG statements that were beaten to death earlier in the thread...but what else?
they are thinly veiled refreshes of the 04-08's with a few motor improvements. The front reeks of ugly, and the interior got blingy...the only true improvement is that 6-speed...which I'm in love with.
I've put almost 700 miles on my new toy so far, and the 6-speed is wicked. Ford should have released it alot sooner IMO
Ford makes the best trucks in the world IMO...and I've owned at least 9 or 10 of them through the years
but there is always lots of room for improvement.
but there is always lots of room for improvement.
I was not impressed by the 09 I test drove. The only cool feature I "had to have" was the Sync.
@ the OP and other overly sensitive 09 owners
I test drove a 09 Lariat...it was very nice. And from the short time I was in the hot seat, I was not impressed.
Overall, not much was different. Softer ride than my FX4, and the tranny was pretty seamless...didn't get a chance to give her some gas, so no idea about the performance aspects of it.
excellently put...my 2006 F-150 got the same mileage as these new fangled 09's are rated to getOverall, not much was different. Softer ride than my FX4, and the tranny was pretty seamless...didn't get a chance to give her some gas, so no idea about the performance aspects of it.
Will the ride be slightly different? Why yes it will be
Does the "ALL NEW 2009 F-150" make such a world shaking difference that it re-defines the F-150? hell no.
Does the "ALL NEW 2009 F-150" make such a world shaking difference that it re-defines the F-150? hell no.
you can get the same effects by switching from "LT" rated tires to a "P" rated tire...or vice versa
with a 4 speed, 3.73 gears and 6,000 lbs without anybody in there...your foot has the biggest factor in MPG's
Last edited by Tylus; 05-10-2009 at 05:17 AM. Reason: Clarify a confusing point I had typed
#64
05-10-2009 | 05:15 AM
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btw, the 5.4 may have the "Lowest HP in Class"...but the 6-speed more than makes up for that.
if you look at the gearing:
1st 4.17:1
2nd 2.34:1
3rd 1.52:1
4th 1.14:1
5th 0.86:1
6th 0.69:1
REV 3.40:11st and 2nd are pretty steeply geared. This gets the RPM's into the peak HP/TQ bands. Just look at the difference between 1st and Reverse...isn't that a switcheroo?
So yeah, the 5.4 has the lowest HP...but that tranny more than makes up for it via gear multiplication. Now if we could only get Ford to put 4.30 gears as an option like the Tundra has
if you look at the gearing:
1st 4.17:1
2nd 2.34:1
3rd 1.52:1
4th 1.14:1
5th 0.86:1
6th 0.69:1
REV 3.40:1
So yeah, the 5.4 has the lowest HP...but that tranny more than makes up for it via gear multiplication. Now if we could only get Ford to put 4.30 gears as an option like the Tundra has
can you imagine the giddy-up and go it would have then?
my 08 Expy EL Limited easily outweighs 99% of the F-150's on the road. When I get into the gas, she will positively scoot. I was not expecting that. I just wish I had been able to do the same in the 09 Lariat I test drove...but the salesman wasn't in for games
my 08 Expy EL Limited easily outweighs 99% of the F-150's on the road. When I get into the gas, she will positively scoot. I was not expecting that. I just wish I had been able to do the same in the 09 Lariat I test drove...but the salesman wasn't in for games
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05-10-2009 | 06:12 AM
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So yeah, the 5.4 has the lowest HP...but that tranny more than makes up for it via gear multiplication. Now if we could only get Ford to put 4.30 gears as an option like the Tundra hascan you imagine the giddy-up and go it would have then?
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05-10-2009 | 08:47 AM
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Yeah call it a caveman comment, call it whatever you want buy its still the truth. Ill be keeping track of milage in my 09 but just for reference. If you want this kinda capability and function your just not gonna get good gas milage. get over it! its not gonna happen with the eco boost, its not gonna happen unless drastic changes happen with an alternative fuel or the size of the truck as you said.
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I've been saying it for a long time. If they build it, they will come.
Can You imagine the contractors alone that would buy in a heartbeat? If they can lower operating costs, the savings alone would convince them to buy new trucks. Add fleets from service dept's, DOT's , and then the average Joe.
I can't see how Ford can continue offering 6000 lb Limo type trucks and still maintain their #1 status. The first manufacturer that does offer a true 1/2 ton truck capable of 30 MPG will sell a TON of them.
#68
05-10-2009 | 10:16 AM
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btw, the 5.4 may have the "Lowest HP in Class"...but the 6-speed more than makes up for that.
if you look at the gearing:
1st 4.17:1
2nd 2.34:1
3rd 1.52:1
4th 1.14:1
5th 0.86:1
6th 0.69:1
REV 3.40:11st and 2nd are pretty steeply geared. This gets the RPM's into the peak HP/TQ bands. Just look at the difference between 1st and Reverse...isn't that a switcheroo?
So yeah, the 5.4 has the lowest HP...but that tranny more than makes up for it via gear multiplication. Now if we could only get Ford to put 4.30 gears as an option like the Tundra has
if you look at the gearing:
1st 4.17:1
2nd 2.34:1
3rd 1.52:1
4th 1.14:1
5th 0.86:1
6th 0.69:1
REV 3.40:1
So yeah, the 5.4 has the lowest HP...but that tranny more than makes up for it via gear multiplication. Now if we could only get Ford to put 4.30 gears as an option like the Tundra has
can you imagine the giddy-up and go it would have then?
my 08 Expy EL Limited easily outweighs 99% of the F-150's on the road. When I get into the gas, she will positively scoot. I was not expecting that. I just wish I had been able to do the same in the 09 Lariat I test drove...but the salesman wasn't in for games
my 08 Expy EL Limited easily outweighs 99% of the F-150's on the road. When I get into the gas, she will positively scoot. I was not expecting that. I just wish I had been able to do the same in the 09 Lariat I test drove...but the salesman wasn't in for games
The problem has been and still is the highway towing. With conservative torque ratings and high rear ends it lugs the engine at highway speeds with a load on, particularly anything that has a lot of air resistance. Once you're into 6th, you're actually worse off than 04+ and maybe even 99+ depending on how the gearing works out. But I guess you can lock out 6th.
4.30 gears as a factory option would be sweet. It's funny that it seems like everyone knows that these engines need RPM except Ford.
However I still can't believe that they only added 10HP to the engine of the truck that at the time was believed to be Ford's last chance.
Mike
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05-10-2009 | 10:51 AM
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So Ford can retool, and offer high mileage cars, but not a high mileage truck?
I've been saying it for a long time. If they build it, they will come.
Can You imagine the contractors alone that would buy in a heartbeat? If they can lower operating costs, the savings alone would convince them to buy new trucks. Add fleets from service dept's, DOT's , and then the average Joe.
I can't see how Ford can continue offering 6000 lb Limo type trucks and still maintain their #1 status. The first manufacturer that does offer a true 1/2 ton truck capable of 30 MPG will sell a TON of them.
I've been saying it for a long time. If they build it, they will come.
Can You imagine the contractors alone that would buy in a heartbeat? If they can lower operating costs, the savings alone would convince them to buy new trucks. Add fleets from service dept's, DOT's , and then the average Joe.
I can't see how Ford can continue offering 6000 lb Limo type trucks and still maintain their #1 status. The first manufacturer that does offer a true 1/2 ton truck capable of 30 MPG will sell a TON of them.
Now, my question is: Which component(s) on the F-150 enables the truck to boast of an 11,200lb tow rating and a 3030lb payload rating? We knoiw it's not the drive train.
Would a truck with a lighter frame still have similar capabilites?
Tim
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05-10-2009 | 11:00 AM
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So Ford can retool, and offer high mileage cars, but not a high mileage truck?
I've been saying it for a long time. If they build it, they will come.
Can You imagine the contractors alone that would buy in a heartbeat? If they can lower operating costs, the savings alone would convince them to buy new trucks. Add fleets from service dept's, DOT's , and then the average Joe.
I can't see how Ford can continue offering 6000 lb Limo type trucks and still maintain their #1 status. The first manufacturer that does offer a true 1/2 ton truck capable of 30 MPG will sell a TON of them.
I've been saying it for a long time. If they build it, they will come.
Can You imagine the contractors alone that would buy in a heartbeat? If they can lower operating costs, the savings alone would convince them to buy new trucks. Add fleets from service dept's, DOT's , and then the average Joe.
I can't see how Ford can continue offering 6000 lb Limo type trucks and still maintain their #1 status. The first manufacturer that does offer a true 1/2 ton truck capable of 30 MPG will sell a TON of them.
My thinking exactly. I don't tow anything. I want a truck with the same space, but a more fuel efficient engine! They have high mpg diesel engines in the rest of the world, but not here, tho they were briefly selling some about thirty years ago (you still see some on the road). Gas prices will shoot up again, and then what?
5.4 HoHum
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05-10-2009 | 04:08 PM
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Here's why I get down on the 09 F150. It was over hyped as all new and for me was a huge let down. Almost everything "new" about it is a carry over from something else.
-5.4- Largely carry over from last year with software updates
-4.6 3valve-Carry over from Explorer/Mustang.
-6 speed auto-Carry over from Expedition with updates, originally used in Explorer
-Tow Command-Carry over from SD
-Suspension and drivetrain-Carried over from last year
-5.4- Largely carry over from last year with software updates
-4.6 3valve-Carry over from Explorer/Mustang.
-6 speed auto-Carry over from Expedition with updates, originally used in Explorer
-Tow Command-Carry over from SD
-Suspension and drivetrain-Carried over from last year
If you want brand-new, go look at how the 6.0 Powerstroke did in the Superduty in 2003
#74
05-10-2009 | 04:43 PM
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The first manufacturer that does offer a true 1/2 ton truck capable of 30 MPG will sell a TON of them.
If it could be done they would be doing it already. Simply put, the technology does not exist at this time and they are not even close. With that said, I would like to see the trucks go back to pre 97 size and weights. This is my personal preference and Im sure it would not suit everyone but thats what those F250's are for.
#75
05-10-2009 | 05:30 PM
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when it comes to posts like this, i agree with Bsimmer. this poster obviously hasn't any experience with current 5.4's so why post such a derogatory post without knowledge.
correct me if i'm wrong, but the 97-99 5.4s were rated at 231hp... then 260hp in 2000-04, then 300hp in 05-08, 310/320hp in '09... right... the current 5.4 would feel the same as it did over 10 years ago... mmmhmmm...
many good posts and posters in the '09 forum, but i agree with the OP. keep your uneducated opinions to yourself. they contribute nothing but garbage to the site!!!