If Ford wants to stay in the game.....
#46
Diesel electric / Hybrid diesel, call it what you want, that's the way of the future if we are to see any significant gains in mpg. I don't know how many more forward gears they can stuff into a transmission case and maintain weight and efficiency.
I'll bet that my '88 F-150 4x4 351 consumes more gas than an '08 SD with the 5.4L. I drive my truck every Sunday and or when I need it, otherwise I drive the old '99 family Taurus every day and get 25 mpg combined driving. I put $75.00 in the Expy today and got so pissed off, but it is what it is. Until a dramatic turn around is made in fuel efficiency, I'll run the hell out of the "88 and the '99, after all, they're built ford tough.
Ford needs to get with it on small car mpg. I had an '02 Focus with auto trans that got 34 hwy. They have the nerve to boast about 35mpg with a 5 spd.
I'll bet that my '88 F-150 4x4 351 consumes more gas than an '08 SD with the 5.4L. I drive my truck every Sunday and or when I need it, otherwise I drive the old '99 family Taurus every day and get 25 mpg combined driving. I put $75.00 in the Expy today and got so pissed off, but it is what it is. Until a dramatic turn around is made in fuel efficiency, I'll run the hell out of the "88 and the '99, after all, they're built ford tough.
Ford needs to get with it on small car mpg. I had an '02 Focus with auto trans that got 34 hwy. They have the nerve to boast about 35mpg with a 5 spd.
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#48
Originally Posted by Remmy
25 mpg in a "typical" half-ton truck will not happen, unless there is a substantial change in technology. With the mandated switch to "Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel" and the latest tier in emissions the new powerstrokes are lucky to get over 12 miles per gallon. In the good old days 25 mpg highway may have been possible but it isn't going to happen now. The fuel is less efficient and the emissions requirements are so stringent every diesel manufacturer has taken an additional mileage hit. I don't think the VW diesel would even be legal for sale anymore with the latest EPA standards.
Got to love the government and their brilliant decisions to keep us less dependant on foreign oil. LOL
Just my 2 cents worth.
Got to love the government and their brilliant decisions to keep us less dependant on foreign oil. LOL
Just my 2 cents worth.
#49
Simply not true.
There is alot that can be done both with gas and diesel engines to make them both more powerful and more efficient.
I am curious to see how affective Ford will be with "eco boost"
There is alot that can be done both with gas and diesel engines to make them both more powerful and more efficient.
I am curious to see how affective Ford will be with "eco boost"
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#51
I know theres alot that can be done with both engines, but with the new restrictions on diesel emitions, the power and mpg are going to suffer...
More power comes from better tuning and more efficient burn of the fuel. Resulting in more MPG.....
LoL or one enormous big block....hehe
#52
If ford wants to stay in the game, they are gonna have to beat out nissan and toyota.
Bottom line.
Diesel Smiesel, Until you get your gas engines up on par with Toyota and Nissan, your going down.
Ford and US automakers make one big mistake. We build all these cars, then hope to sell them. Nissan and Toyota don't build one until they have an order for one.
Bottom line.
Diesel Smiesel, Until you get your gas engines up on par with Toyota and Nissan, your going down.
Ford and US automakers make one big mistake. We build all these cars, then hope to sell them. Nissan and Toyota don't build one until they have an order for one.
#53
If ford wants to stay in the game, they are gonna have to beat out nissan and toyota.
Bottom line.
Diesel Smiesel, Until you get your gas engines up on par with Toyota and Nissan, your going down.
Ford and US automakers make one big mistake. We build all these cars, then hope to sell them. Nissan and Toyota don't build one until they have an order for one.
Bottom line.
Diesel Smiesel, Until you get your gas engines up on par with Toyota and Nissan, your going down.
Ford and US automakers make one big mistake. We build all these cars, then hope to sell them. Nissan and Toyota don't build one until they have an order for one.
#55
I just got a new Expy handed to me a few months ago with the 5.4 its awesome. The Japs should stick to small cars.....they know that.
#56
I dunno....
Not everyone is bad at math, and calculating the cost of fuel for 15,000 miles a year at 15 mpg and at 25 mpg will get some attention. Of course, Ford would have a tough time advertising "against" the F150 since it's a cash cow, and it will be a stretch to get the Ranger up to 25 mpg, but let's see what they can do with Ecoboost engines...
George
#57
Ford makes bigger profits off of F150s than rangers. If they were to make the ranger more atractive, than it would likely start to cut into the bottom line by reducing the sales of fullsize trucks. You can get a ranger in europe or australia that has TWO optional Diesel engines with a towing capacity over 7000 lbs and a real world 25+ MPG. The truck is also available with a real crewcab and way too many other features to list.
In reality, all thats really needed to pass emissions here is to add a DPF. That would cut into the MPG some, but you will still be over 20 MPG on diesel power.
In reality, all thats really needed to pass emissions here is to add a DPF. That would cut into the MPG some, but you will still be over 20 MPG on diesel power.
#58
Ford makes bigger profits off of F150s than rangers. If they were to make the ranger more atractive, than it would likely start to cut into the bottom line by reducing the sales of fullsize trucks. You can get a ranger in europe or australia that has TWO optional Diesel engines with a towing capacity over 7000 lbs and a real world 25+ MPG. The truck is also available with a real crewcab and way too many other features to list.
In reality, all thats really needed to pass emissions here is to add a DPF. That would cut into the MPG some, but you will still be over 20 MPG on diesel power.
In reality, all thats really needed to pass emissions here is to add a DPF. That would cut into the MPG some, but you will still be over 20 MPG on diesel power.
With gas mileage becoming an issue, an awakening of American attitudes is happening. Driving a 6000 lb F150 beast if you don't really need a truck makes no sense, and I think people will start figuring that out soon when they have to choose between buying gasoline and food (the latter of which is also rapidly increasing in price due to fuel costs).
I don't think that full-size pickup sales will ever increase from where they are now--I see a declining curve in sales in the long run, with small "blips" during the years where they introduce a new model. But the big pickup as personal transportation is not going to be viable.
I'm quite sure that my '02 E150 (which has a lot of years left in it) is probably going to be my last V8 vehicle (unless I buy a hotrod toy which wouldn't be an everyday car), and that's a bit sad, as I've had about 20 cars and trucks with V8's over the years.
Looping back to the original thread about "Ford staying in the game", the comment I have is that the rules of the game, if not the entire game itself, are changing, like it or not.
#59
If ford wants to stay in the game, they are gonna have to beat out nissan and toyota.
Bottom line.
Diesel Smiesel, Until you get your gas engines up on par with Toyota and Nissan, your going down.
Ford and US automakers make one big mistake. We build all these cars, then hope to sell them. Nissan and Toyota don't build one until they have an order for one.
Bottom line.
Diesel Smiesel, Until you get your gas engines up on par with Toyota and Nissan, your going down.
Ford and US automakers make one big mistake. We build all these cars, then hope to sell them. Nissan and Toyota don't build one until they have an order for one.
i had a friend who has a new frontier 05 or 06 and it looked much better compared to my 99 ranger, but we were moving a 600lb dump truck tire, didnt even notice it im my ranger, in his truck the whole bed sunk down and it actually swayed for a few seconds when we put it in, that quickly changed my mind about it, and ive had 2700 in my ranger id hate to see what that would do to a nissian
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