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Old 07-06-2007 | 06:43 PM
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I cant speak wisely on how well the diablo works on the 6.0 but if it works anything close to as good as it did on the 7.3 then dump it and run far far away. Besides why settle for mediocur power output with a diablo when you could have maximum power output with a SCT tuner?

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Old 07-06-2007 | 09:45 PM
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Originally Posted by buckshot047
all hail the almighty sct x cal 2!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! whats wrong with the diablosport....your runnin the mouth lets see what you have to say! 3 trucks and 3 diablsopsorts with no problems!!!!!!
Do a search, there are hundreds of posts on the Diablosport and All "chips/inline fuel modules" They lift heads on the 6.0 and trash Torqueshifts. And Diablo is on of the worst.
 
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Old 07-06-2007 | 10:13 PM
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what causes the head lift? had ,mine in for about 12,00 mile and no problmes I watch the boost and the egt's what is wrong with them and please dont tell me to do a search and look at the opinions...I know several of the 6.0 that had head issues without the tuners.....just wondering where the factual data is here......I poste this before and will post it agin...this site is all sct xcal2 and every other tuner is junk...I disagree with this alot....i dont understand how diablosport can sell so many of them and not have major issues with their product...and why do places like LIPD sell the diablosports....just curious......here we go!
 
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Old 07-07-2007 | 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by buckshot047
what causes the head lift? had ,mine in for about 12,00 mile and no problmes I watch the boost and the egt's what is wrong with them and please dont tell me to do a search and look at the opinions...I know several of the 6.0 that had head issues without the tuners.....just wondering where the factual data is here......I poste this before and will post it agin...this site is all sct xcal2 and every other tuner is junk...I disagree with this alot....i dont understand how diablosport can sell so many of them and not have major issues with their product...and why do places like LIPD sell the diablosports....just curious......here we go!
Well unless LIPD just started selling them you wouldn't find Matt at LIPD selling a Diablosport for a 6.0. They may have before Matt became involved. FYI Matt is no longer with LIPD and is setting up his own company.

The FACTUAL information is there if you want to do a search i am not going to do the search for you.

Problem with the Diablosport and All "Chips/Inline Fuel Modules" is they change the fuel timing and duration and the PCM is unaware of this. When you change the fuel timing and duration you increase the cylinder pressure. With high cylinder pressure you can lift the heads on a 6.0 with as little as 22PSI of boost. The other problem is All "Chips/Inline Fuel Modules" do not address the Transmission programming for the added Hp & Torque. The factory transmission shift strategy allows slipping to occur so that the transmission shifts smoothly in order to not upset the soccer moms and grocery getters. The added Hp & Torque coupled with the factory shifting strategy is death on the transmission do to excess slipping and heat build up.
 
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Old 07-07-2007 | 11:38 AM
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so I should be seeing high trans temps and overboost...when I tlked to LIPD about two months ago and ordered my guages they said they liked the SCT more because of the custom tunability.....did not have anything bad to say about the diablosport.....just curious I have had zero issues and like it alot...according to diablosport they take into account the shifting issues with it because there is a place in there to tune the trans.....I realize the sct is the best ever but I dont think the diablosprt is the worst one there is as you seem to think....not trying to start a whole lot here but....the sun does not rise and fall around the sct...I would like to try one but noone wants to give me one for free....and with the good luck Ive had with the diablosport I see no reason to run away screaming from it...I think it has alot more to do with how you drive it......
 
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Old 07-07-2007 | 01:52 PM
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Originally Posted by buckshot047
so I should be seeing high trans temps and overboost...when I tlked to LIPD about two months ago and ordered my guages they said they liked the SCT more because of the custom tunability.....did not have anything bad to say about the diablosport.....just curious I have had zero issues and like it alot...according to diablosport they take into account the shifting issues with it because there is a place in there to tune the trans.....I realize the sct is the best ever but I dont think the diablosprt is the worst one there is as you seem to think....not trying to start a whole lot here but....the sun does not rise and fall around the sct...I would like to try one but noone wants to give me one for free....and with the good luck Ive had with the diablosport I see no reason to run away screaming from it...I think it has alot more to do with how you drive it......
You will get higher transtemp readings. Do Not confuse Boost pressure with cylinder pressure, they are not the same thing. Boost pressure is not a result of cylinder pressure caused by increased fuel timing/delivery. The factory boost can reach 28-30psi on the factory tune, but the cylinder pressures reached are safe when coupled with this amount of boost. With the Diablo or any "chip/inline fuel module" the increased cylinder pressure do to the changed fuel timing/delivery can cause problems with as low as 22psi boost.

I do not know who you spoke to at LIPD, that person may have chosen to remain slient instead of saying anything bad about a competitors product. I can tell you if you speak with Matt (he is the tuning guru) he will tell you to stay away from All "chips/inline fuel modules" for use on the 6.0. BTW Matt is no longer associated with LIPD and is setting up his own shop.

The transmission tuning (if any exists at all) on the Diablosport and all "chips/inline fuel modules" is poorly concieved and executed. It does not prevent the transmission from coming apart do to the increased Hp & Torque.

And yes the "sun does rise and set" on the SCT XcalII with CUSTOM TUNES. This has been proven time and again by real world field testing by many owners of 6.0's and members of FTE. The key is the Custom Tuning of all the parameters of the PCM, FICM and TCM. None of the "chips/inline fuel modules" (ie Diablosport, Edge, Banks, DrP etc) properly address all these parameters.

No one is going to give you a free SCT why should they? If you cannot afford to sell your "Diablosport" and purchase an SCT, you cannot afford the engine & transmission repairs that will be required do to the problems caused by the Diablosport (or any "chip/inline fuel module). It is your truck and your wallet, run the Diablosport all you want. When it causes you problems with lifted heads, puking or failed Torqueshift (and it will) don't come whining back to us that we didn't warn you.

It amazes me that you refuse to do a search and read the hundreds of factual posts on this subject that have been field tested by many on the 6.0 over the last 4.5 years. The factual information is posted on FTE and available to you if you choose to read it.

Good luck with the Diablosport you are going to need it.
 

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Old 07-07-2007 | 03:04 PM
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I'm obviously in the minority on Diablo...
Got one for my 03 6oh Ex on the first day it came available here at FTE...
Ran it on the 100hp setting until I traded for my 05 and nary a problem from the Diablo!
Then sold it after I got the 05 ...

I did get the Xcal2 for the 05 and still looking for tunes that I am happy with...

The idjut I got it from was found out to be stealing tunes from other dealers and not knowing what he was doing...

Guess I'll haveta fork out some $ to get a custom tune... but even with the basic tunes it's very good...
 
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Old 07-07-2007 | 03:32 PM
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As i said before, the diablo is junk with the 7.3's and it seems to follow suite with the 6.0. To bad that guy wont wise up and check the site for diablo info and potential issues. Like they say, you can lead a horse to water....

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Old 07-07-2007 | 05:09 PM
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Everyone needs to realize that blackhat is the greatest mind on this site and accept it I know I will.......not really....just do not disagree with him! and powerstroked162...thanks for the info on the 7.3 had two of them and both had diablosport tunes....great luck with them....did it ever cross your mind that the problems were not all the fault of the tuner? Just curious
 
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Old 07-07-2007 | 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by buckshot047
Powerstroked162...did it ever cross your mind that the problems were not all the fault of the tuner? Just curious
Trust me, it was the tuner. Why dont you pop down into the 99-03 7.3 forum and ask them gurus how many of them run a diablo chip and what they think of it. Tell them that the tuner didnt cause the problems but instead you feel it was the tried and true 7.3 that was faulty. They'll laugh you outta the forum. You most likey have the 7.3 mixed up with that 6.0 your drivin my friend. Good luck with your lifted heads and thrashed transmissions. Sounds like you made the right choice, figure that diablo tuner only cost ya 400 clams but when its all said and done you'll be most likey $5500 deep into that tuner after you replace the trans and head lift issues. haha, makes alot of sense

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Old 07-07-2007 | 06:19 PM
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Originally Posted by buckshot047
Everyone needs to realize that blackhat is the greatest mind on this site and accept it I know I will.......not really....just do not disagree with him! and powerstroked162...thanks for the info on the 7.3 had two of them and both had diablosport tunes....great luck with them....did it ever cross your mind that the problems were not all the fault of the tuner? Just curious
Hey, I am feeling left out of this list. So add me to it please. The diablo sport was an underachiever from the start. The Superchips 1704 had a much larger success rate and following here in the 6.0 forum. Until any of the other box/tuner mfgs. step up and challenge the SCT as far as custom tuning abilities, it is the only tuner on the market worth while buying.

Someone here please explain to me why this is so hard for everyone here to understand?
 
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Old 07-07-2007 | 06:21 PM
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Ask Buckshot, he would be the one to tell ya why its so hard to understand

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Old 07-08-2007 | 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by buckshot047
Everyone needs to realize that blackhat is the greatest mind on this site and accept it I know I will.......not really....just do not disagree with him!
I agree. I stated my opinion against his and he claimed I was "personally attacking" him. all his posts sound like commercials. "welcome to fte good people and some other generic crap..."
 
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Old 07-08-2007 | 12:51 AM
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I agree. I stated my opinion against his and he claimed I was "personally attacking" him. all his posts sound like commercials. "welcome to fte good people and some other generic crap..."
Well I can say that Blackhat is an extreamlly educated man when it comes to the diesel technology and information. I can gurantee he wouldn't state you were personally attacking him if you weren't. Irregardless, if you "weren't" attacking him before then you surely are now by callin him generic crap. You dont like him cause he probably made you look stupid(not that you needed any help doing that, you do a fine job of that yourself ) when you challenged his opinion and you had no proof to back yours up. If you dont like him then leave the forum, I gurantee he'll be here for many year to come. Oh and by the way, you might wanna re-read your FTE guidelines and re-evaluate your decision on callin us guru's "generic crap", it wont win ya any friends around here, not to mention you keep that garbage up and you probably wont be around much longer. Your choice, choose wisely!

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Old 07-08-2007 | 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by powerstroked162
Well I can say that Blackhat is an extreamlly educated man when it comes to the diesel technology and information. I can gurantee he wouldn't state you were personally attacking him if you weren't. Irregardless, if you "weren't" attacking him before then you surely are now by callin him generic crap. You dont like him cause he probably made you look stupid(not that you needed any help doing that, you do a fine job of that yourself ) when you challenged his opinion and you had no proof to back yours up. If you dont like him then leave the forum, I gurantee he'll be here for many year to come. Oh and by the way, you might wanna re-read your FTE guidelines and re-evaluate your decision on callin us guru's "generic crap", it wont win ya any friends around here, not to mention you keep that garbage up and you probably wont be around much longer. Your choice, choose wisely!

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hahahahahaahahahahahahahahahahahahhah get a life bud. you're on the IN TER NET. oh man. heaven forbid anybody come to your holy site and have an opinion that differs from the "gurus". lol thanks for letting me know what my choices are mr. guru. I've chose so far to not look at the fte guidlines.
 


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