Wish I didn't use a tuner!
#31
06-21-2007 | 10:29 AM
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As funny as this sounds if longevity has anything to do with the HP of the 6.0 from International I would be willing to detune 50 HP from my '04. I too remember when it came out that it was hopped up by Ford to compete with the HP #'s of other manufacturers. We were Fords test bench and I believe they fixed stuff under warrentee because they knew they were the ones to "stress" the engine at 325HP. I feel mine has plenty of power even pulling #7000 so I left it alone and so far glad I did. Good luck...
#32
06-21-2007 | 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by jasfaa
When you do not run the Banks Six Gun at 3,4 5, or 6, guess what, stock spray. You guys including the Superchip JA'sses all run it max or close to it. I ran mine on 1 and 2. You get a stock spray pattern on these two settings. That's how you get the stock fuel spray. I was not looking to roast the tires, or beat the corvette next to me. Quite frankly, I no longer own a 6.0 so I don't really care. I actually got caught up in the BS brought on by everyone that max out their tuners. Instead of Ford addressing a problem they have with the motor, I got rolled over by people that leave their tune maxxed out. I really don't care because it worked out. The same week I took mine in they had another truck in their that I found out was running on #4 on the banks kit. Huge difference in the pattern, I have pictures. Because this worked out for me I do not want to start an argument but when you run Banks on the lowest setting it does not change the spray.
Again, Good luck in your situation and too bad Ford will not admit guilt as they should. I have seen too many stock vehicles that looked exactly like mine to agree that some of these issues do not lay on their shoulders.
Again, Good luck in your situation and too bad Ford will not admit guilt as they should. I have seen too many stock vehicles that looked exactly like mine to agree that some of these issues do not lay on their shoulders.
BTW "SCT" is NOT "Superchips" and the "SCT" does not have a level change button.
#33
06-21-2007 | 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by Deluxe05
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International offers the 6.0L motor--the VT365, as they call it--in four levels or variations ranging from 175 horsepower to 230 horsepower. When that same motor transitions over to Ford's hands, it gets bumped up to 325 horsepower through tuning. Many have likened this to stretching a rubber band. If Ford is already stretching it that far (95 horsepower, an almost 42% increase over International's best offering), how much further do you think you can stretch it with an aftermarket chip/tuner before something breaks?
International offers the 6.0L motor--the VT365, as they call it--in four levels or variations ranging from 175 horsepower to 230 horsepower. When that same motor transitions over to Ford's hands, it gets bumped up to 325 horsepower through tuning. Many have likened this to stretching a rubber band. If Ford is already stretching it that far (95 horsepower, an almost 42% increase over International's best offering), how much further do you think you can stretch it with an aftermarket chip/tuner before something breaks?
I read this a lot on here and it certainly has some merit, however we shouldn't lose sight of the fact that International also had the engine power curve "adjusted" to suit their markets needs. For instance International's VT-365 / 230 horse version put out 620 ft lbs. of peak torque at 1400 rpm which not only was more peak torque than Ford advertised but it was also at a much lower rpm than Ford's.
#34
06-21-2007 | 03:49 PM
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Yes, that often stated analogy is an over-simplification, but the gist of that analogy is very accurate.
Any given diesel motor is going to have a much easier time posting high torque numbers than posting high horsepower numbers. It's the basic fundamentals of how a diesel motor operates.
Any given diesel motor is going to have a much easier time posting high torque numbers than posting high horsepower numbers. It's the basic fundamentals of how a diesel motor operates.
#35
06-21-2007 | 03:59 PM
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Yes Deluxe05 you are 100% correct, it is much easier for a diesel motor to make high Torque numbers at lower RPM's than it is to make high Hp & Torque numbers at higher RPM's.
Also it is not so much the Hp & Torque numbers obtained as it is the cylinder pressures that occur to achieve a specific Hp & Torque number at a certain RPM. If the cylinder pressures get to high even at low Hp & Toque numbers then problems ensue quickly.
Also it is not so much the Hp & Torque numbers obtained as it is the cylinder pressures that occur to achieve a specific Hp & Torque number at a certain RPM. If the cylinder pressures get to high even at low Hp & Toque numbers then problems ensue quickly.
#36
06-21-2007 | 10:39 PM
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How does the SCT compare to Banks in terms of the "spray patterns". I am using my tow tune for daily driver. I tried the "hot" file for a day and was worried about someone else driving it without paying attention to the EGTs, Then tried the "high power" and was much cooler than the "race". The tow files is less power, but plenty for me. Interesting thread. I haven't yet gone to the dealer since the tuner, hope I don't have to. Levi
#37
06-21-2007 | 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by levi'sford
How does the SCT compare to Banks in terms of the "spray patterns". I am using my tow tune for daily driver. I tried the "hot" file for a day and was worried about someone else driving it without paying attention to the EGTs, Then tried the "high power" and was much cooler than the "race". The tow files is less power, but plenty for me. Interesting thread. I haven't yet gone to the dealer since the tuner, hope I don't have to. Levi
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06-23-2007 | 10:56 AM
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#43
06-23-2007 | 08:07 PM
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I picked up my truck yesterday. Final bill was $3,532.60.
Stuff they charged for:
gasket kit 565.97
egr cooler 553.59
oil filter 28.75
antifreeze 33.90
labor 2116.00
Stuff they didn't charge for:
ICP sensor (for where the oil leak was, reason I took the truck in)
exhaust inlet pipe
turbocharger assembly
exterior car rinse
I guess it could of been worse.
Stuff they charged for:
gasket kit 565.97
egr cooler 553.59
oil filter 28.75
antifreeze 33.90
labor 2116.00
Stuff they didn't charge for:
ICP sensor (for where the oil leak was, reason I took the truck in)
exhaust inlet pipe
turbocharger assembly
exterior car rinse
I guess it could of been worse.
#44
07-10-2007 | 12:24 AM
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THIS IS CRAP !! I suggest u get your lawyer to type a letter stating that you are not only going to pursue them for the repair damages but also for the legal fees and pain and suffering , defamation of character (assuming you would hot rod a fine vehicle like a diesel truck) and,...... Look Ford has MONEY PERIOD!!! Don't be a weak fool. They can't Prove swhit. Don't give up, foc em' lol ty my 2 cents
#45
07-10-2007 | 06:29 AM
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So besides the usual mods, (exhaust, air intake, gauges) how do we make our 6.0's better. If they are maxed out from the factory and we install a tuner, how do we strenthen our engine. Are stronger head bolts enough? Do you also need fire ring head gaskets? I want to run a tuner but I am worried what they will do to my engine. What is the weakest part of the 6.0?