I'm sorry but where exactly were you when I had that problem, because I know the 3 people that were in my truck and they don't have that handle that you are using and if you weren't there then how can you justify that comment? I did have the problem with pulling that trailer up the hill here and my old truck was able to handle it alot better then the ford did.

 

This is beyond the scope of the thread, but the flip side to that isn't the same as the flip to the civil one and that is all you have to do is present a valid doubt, you don't have to prove the alternative beyond doubt, alot of people think you do but you don't. My con. law professors were very steadfast on that one as a lot of my classmates were arguing that.

 

That's true Tex, but your "out-of-scope" comment does bring-up another very relevant topic. That is Burden of Proof. Or more specifically, who has it. In most civil cases the Burden of Proof falls on the plaintiff. So if a person chooses to sue Ford, they become the plaintiff and the Burden of Proof is going to fall on them to prove that, among other propositions (all propositions are required to be proved by the Plaintiff), Ford breached their written warranty by denying the claim.

Ford won't have to prove that the mod caused the failure in court, the plaintiff will have to present an argument, through a preponderance of evidence, that there was already a fault in the vehicle that was covered by the warranty (which is what Maximum was pointing to when he illustrated the "The flip side" of my first post). Not an easy hurdle to jump.

 

Actually that applies to criminal as well. Those that make the claim(in the case of criminal more often then not it's the state) have the burden of proof except in cases that deal with race and/or gender or actually any group that has a history of being discriminated against then the burden is switched(which doesn't apply to vehicle warranties, just wanted to show off my plethora of knowledge).

 

To quote the judge when the wife and I were in court in January " This is a court of law, not a court of who is right and who is wrong, if you can settle before coming to court everyone will win"

 

Have an 05 sd with 6.0 was told by the dealership sevice writer that an intake system voids the warranty,as for exhaust was ok as long as had the cat in.Maybe Fl is more lax but sounds right

 

The bottom line is he knew it had mods that may void the warranty. Thats why he asked before he took it in for service. He took it in and quess what they voided the warranty . No big surprise there. Giving him advise to fight it is pointless and so has this thread . He can't have very many miles left before its out of warranty anyways .He has over 90k on it when he posted the orignal post last month.

 

Ok,you may be right.What if you bought a extended warrenty and say they void it at 90000 for mods.Do they have to credit you for the 60000 of unused warrenty that you will not get to enjoy but have payed for?assumeing the extended warrenty would of taken the truck to hthe 150000km mark.

 

I think you guys are missing the whole point in this. Look at Johns sig (Maxium) I probably don't have to tell you who did the work. I am not a good gambler, but I would lay down 10:1 odds to any takers on this board (and their are alot of them) John will never have this problem, no matter how much he decideds to play. I know it was the oil cooler that failed, however that is rolling snake eyes in itself. I would take a broke 6.0 over a 7.3 any day of the week. (John can shed some light in this area as well if you don't like my opinion) Like I said if your going to void the warranty, void it all the way and do it right, and most of all don't come here and cry about it when you were forewarned. The 6.0 is just about halfway to the point of the 7.3 as far as being troubleshot for you prior to buying/modding. All you have to do is search the 6.0 section for a few hours. Its pretty simple, and a bargain at only a 1/3rd the price of a new motor that is not warrantied.

I'LL TYPE THIS IN CAPS SO EVERYONE HERE WILL KNOW I AM SHOUTING. IF YOU WANT TO PLAY (and I mean really play)WITH A TUNER ON A 6.0, HEADGASKETS AND ARP STUDS ARE THE MINIMUM REQUIREMENT. A FUEL CROSSOVER LINE AND EGR DELETE COME NEXT. IT IS REALLY THAT SIMPLE.

I would also be willing to bet a vast majority of people who belong to this site that if the entire motors known shortcommings (this is not an invitation for some lip or bashing from the 7.3 blowhards, they have problems too) were addressed and not hidden from the tech, pryor to the oil cooler popping, BTH, Vince, or Canada would not have any problem trying to warranty it for you.

 

Technicalities of the mods aside, FMC is circling the proverbial wagons. Given their fiscal issues and payout on the 6.0, what do you think they are going to do? Limit their losses to the best of their ability and take the cut in buyers who mod without a sound strategy.

 

No they would not. Read the fine print in the extended warranty. If you void it through your actions of unapproved mods, you will not get a refund.

Again it gets back to the same answer

IF YOU ARE GOING TO PLAY, THEN YOU WILL PAY!

 

I didn't need to be there nor anyone one else, except you.

The Fact is a Stock 06 6.0 F350 Dually will put that 2 horse Gooseneck trailer with no Problems up a Hill!! Now your F350 may have had a problem with it (From the Factory or from whatever) and it may have need being Fixed at the Deralership. But it would not have needed modifications to do the job a F150 would do. You can make all the Excuses/Justifications in your mind you want. But the Facts are, It didn’t need modifications to do the job!!

 

So your telling me that an F150 can pull a gooseneck steel trailer that has a STICKER WEIGHT of 12500, which would be if it was filled up with everything, both horses and the associate crap, plus what is in the living quarters(which I did finish out)? If you truly believed that statement and it wasn't just mentioned to prove that you think I'm a little off my rocker, I think you heavily overestimate what a half ton can do, particularly since it would have do it for 800 miles stretches one way just about every other weekend and I have known only a couple of people that have had put hitches in their half ton bed and they pull with those things very very rarely and plus their GCVW is I think around 15500 with 4.10(which is the limit that you can get from Ford) gears your pushing it as far as sticker weight goes your going to be going over specs because I'm sure those trucks have a sticker weight of 6k and that is what everyone goes by at first in determining limits is sticker weight, I have never weighed my truck and/or trailer so that is all I have to go by and I think there are more people then not that have not weighed their vehicle and just go by sticker weight.

 

Funny how often this warranty thing comes up. I read this board some before I bought my 06. I asked this question of the service manager before I bought it."What can I modify without voiding the warranty?" He said "Touch anything in front of the Cat and you could have problems with your warranty!" I then asked "What about air intake?" The reply "Touch anything in front of the Cat and you could have problems with your warranty!" So let me see, shall I not pay attention and start slinging things on this $45K truck that could shoot the 100K mile engine warranty down the toilet? Me thinks I will 4 inch the exhaust (Cat back) and leave the thing alone whereas it pulls my 34 foot toy hauler at 70 mph just fine.

 

The one thing that I would do, forget performance upgrades, but I would do aftermarket gauges, if nothing else a tranny temp. gauge if everything else is stock and you have an auto(I bring this up because it's in front of the cat). I haul too much and I have seen some big jumps in temp. when the stock gauge doesn't move at all. I have seen people that had totally stock trucks that went by the factory gauge and boom 3k worth of tranny fixin to do. For most stock maybe sufficient with the exception of that one gauge in particular. I think the odds of that causing a warranty problem are far down there, particularly since it is used as a preventative measure, unless you or someone else just bungle the installation of it.