I have one question. Why does any manufacture bother? None of the cars raced can be bought anywhere, none of the cars are even stock. With Ford in bad financial trouble and Dodge in even worse condition, where's the money coming from? What's the point of pouring money into a race car event where there is no payback from car sales. Car sales puts money back into the the manufacturers bank accounts. I just don't get it.

 

The wheel base is an inch or two shorter in the busch series as well. Note; I think it will no longer be the "busch" series as Anheuser is pulling their sponsorship of the series for 08 and beyond I think it is.

As for "people who cry conspiracy if something isn't going there way" I guess you've never heard the shivy boyz whining before in gmna$car!?! Oh I have! Childress being the king of crying! Thing that's different is gmna$car listens and reacts when it involves shivy! I've watched it happen many a time! Extremely obvious imo!

They're already close to mandating and many are already running spec motors in the lower na$car ranks such as na$car west/east and there's been rumors for the busch series as well. I'd give it till 2010 (maybe) and cup will have shivy crate/spec motors mandated.

I haven't spent a dime on anything na$car in many moons. My wife and I do go to ARCA events when nearby. We have a mile clay track just up the road at the Illinois fairgrounds where they run on Labor Day weekend. We have Gateway up by St. Louis, but we've yet to go there! There's many short dirt tracks nearby here.

I like CORR (Championship Off-Road Racing) racing the best, but starting this year they no longer have any races set up in WI, only out west so I guess I'm stuck watching it on Speed. Also like WRC (World Rally), but of course nothing close by and they haven't televised it since 05 that I know of.

 

Neither do I. It would be hard to say if, for example, Ford dropped it's NASCAR program what the ramifications (sp?) would be.

Maybe Ford, Chevy, of even Dodge to a certain extent has way too much invested in NASCAR ( history ) that it would alienate alot of their "loyal" customers/fans if they were to pull out now.

Who knows, glad it's not me make the financial decisions.

 

I don't have any idea! I thought, and still think Ford should pull the plug!

Gm's in no better condition financially, but look at the $$ they pour into it and the commercials that surround it.

Puzzling for sure!

 

i think ford being in nascar has little, if any effect on buyers. toyota has been gaining ground heavily and this is thier first year in it, and thier truck series seems to me hasn't boosted sales anymore than if they were not in it.

i think its cool for auto makers to sponsor and support these events, but i do beleive there needs to be some money line drawn. do they actually make the money back or any kind of reasonable profit from them being in nascar?

 

Sir, originally it had everything to do with it. There was zilch, nada, no factory sponsorship till the manufactures discovered the popularity of NASCAR. First the parts trickled in to certain drivers through the dealers. The first factory to back the cars was Hudson in 1952-54. Hudson won almost every race they entered during 1952/53. It took several more years before the Big 3 (and it was then) got involved.


By the early 60's NASCAR was growing in popularity, and the races moved west to Riverside International Raceway..and were complete sellouts out here. Ford, GM and Chrysler dealers made sure they had plenty of the NEARLY IDENTICAL cars that were running in races on Sunday, in stock for Monday. Win on Sunday, Sell on Monday was very true, and it still was into the 1980's.


Now you can't buy any car raced in NASCAR on Monday or any other day.

 

Just thought I'd go ahead and bring this thread back up front and see what some of you folks who are interested "now" think of the current "parity" in gmna$car's cup circus now that they're in the beloved chase format?

I haven't watched nearly half the races I watched last year, and well less than the year before that. I have been following the cup stats and such, and watched some recordings and I've yet to see anything resembling the parity gmna$car was singing about. Turns out they've been awful quiet this season about the lack of parity in either the non-irocot or the irocot.

The entire season imo has been a sham, but just look at the last race in Richmond, 7 shivy's, one Ford, and two dodges in the top ten, and 4 shivy's in the top 5, a Ford taking third which basically sums up the season.

I wonder is anyone buyin into this series as a legit and fair racing series? If so how/why so? Even though the tv ratings have fallen off a good portion I can't seem to wrap my head around what kind enjoyment folks find in this joke of a series. Unless of course most of the fans are about who's the cutest, etc.!

My fix for "fair" auto/truck racing this season has been satisfied watching Craftsman Truck (even though toy is running 30 hp more than the comp), Busch, ARCA, USAR (Hooters ProCup), CORR, WRC, IHRA, and will be watching racing from down under this winter in Aussy's V8 Supercars.

That's my two cents worth!

 

So basically your admitting that you still do follow the series and yet you continue to bash the hell out of it....

Never saw this coming.

We have been thru this before, how many "shivy's" are in the field compared to any other manufacturer. And once again, it seems the "shivy" teams, ( primarly Hendrick and Gibbs ) have their COT and other programs together. If I do recall Edwards is lighting it up right now and besides his blown engine at Richmond, he is having a great year and killing em in the Busch Series.

OMG, that would be a Ford team doing well. As for Dodge, Kurt Busch and Newman are solid, even though Newman is out of the chase. The Blue Deuce has a very good shot at winning the title.

Oh about 115,000 people on Saturday night was buyin' into it. And every other track that pulls in these kind of numbers. Try get tickets for a Bristol race. Attendance may be down, but NASCAR is far from hitting the panic button.

What I find curious is that you will admit to liking the Truck series and Busch and basically the same thing is happening that you are whinning about in the Cup Series. Except a Ford team is dominating the Busch Series and the point chase was finished along time ago. Makes for one boring storyline. Truck Series, once again Toyota is dominating with their 30hp more. Just waiting for the conspiracy theory on this one. Title chase is close between only 2 drivers, while Cup you have 12 drivers that can win the Title.

Seeing how you brought it up, who DO YOU think is the cutest?

 

Conspiracy or not I think one thing is blatantly sure is that these races have become utterly boring. I swear it seems like Nascar is trying to put everyone to sleep. This COT has made it even more boring than before.

 

Comparing NASCAR to what other series to you base this?

 

im just compairing Nascar to itself oh say a couple years ago before it got all PC. There is no way you could watch races from the 80's and 90's and now and say that today's races are more fun to watch. I think they should rename it the race to the chase of putting me asleep.

 

You can't compare it to anything other than the old NASCAR. Thw way open wheel racers are rushing to NASCAR, it looks like they will soon be the only game in town. NASCAR is like what a politician said about the American government. He said it was the worst form of government in the world EXCEPT FOR THE REST OF THEM.

 

Why not? Racin' is racin'. Doesn't matter if you are on a 1/2 mile dirt track, Daytona, Sebring, Monza, or a local paved oval. The name of the game is the same.

How many professional racers say they want to win the Daytona 500,Indy 500, Knoxville Nationals, Monaco Grand Prix or 24 hours of Daytona ( and these are just a few ) because of the prize money.

If all the open wheel racers are rushing to NASCAR, they ( NASCAR ) must be doing something right.

 

Yes because if you look at the points battle in Busch right now, it's soooo exciting. I will admit there were close point battles in the past, but it was between 2 drivers. With the chase, for example, there were 5 drivers who could have won the Cup last year in the last race. Do some searching and tell me when the last time NASCAR had any kind of points battle like that.

 

The only reason these drivers form other leagues want to join Nascar now is because of Money. These drivers drive these cars for a living, not because they just love to race. Anyone with any sense would jump on the chance to get a bigger paycheck.