Yes we have been over this before and it is YOU that seems to want to keep beating a dead horse for whatever reason. For someone who complains that gmna$car is so bias and tainted you seem to know alot about it.

You make it sound like poor ole' Ford is given nothing but scraps and a V6 engine. Yah right, letting the teams use bigblocks would have put Ford over the top because Dodge or Chevy or even Pontiac had nothing to compete with it.

Plain and simple, even though this might be hard for you to grasp, Chevy, notably Hendrick and RCR have their acts together. Now with additional funding from Fenway, Roush can step up. RYR will hopefully follow suit.

Put the conspiracy theory to bed already. It's been that way for years, Dodge dominated with Petty, Mercury with Pearson, and so on and so on. One brand always seems to have the upper hand and with the body templates being to close these days saying that it has anything to do with that is a lame point. (COT notably ) It's all R&D, the most money wins and it's been that way even when the cars were still "stock" cars.

Yes, there is alot of stretching the rules in Nascar and I agree that if you get caught you should be penalized. We can't control how Nascar hands out fines so why complain about it. If you don't like how gmna$car is panning out then don't continue to complain about it, watch or google something else. I can replace "gmna$car" with "Toyota" and it sounds like some of your previous posts.

Lastly wasn't Biffle's car too low after Bristol? And how big was his fine.

 

Once again, you seem to dig up facts but actually trying to put some reasoning behind it seems to phase you.

Possibly the burnout could have had some effect on the dyno numbers. Thats why if you have ever seen the faces of the engine builders while these burnouts are going on I'm sure you will see alot of cringing.

So what should gmna$car do? Line all the cars up and do some burnouts so that will even all the dyno numbers? They are just that, numbers on paper.

I smell another conspiracy.... Toyota beat Ford by 1 hp! Gmna$car must be letting Shivy use nitrous because it's impossible that they won with only 779 hp. You didn't see the gmna$car official pull that little blue bottle out of the car in victory lane?

Heaven forbid Johnson actually had a better handling car through the corners.

 

FFL, you bring up some good points.


I went to the inagural(sp?) NASCAR race in Vegas when the Taurus in its 3rd(?) race dominated............I think they went on to dominate the next bunch of races untill NASCAR did their wing thang.

And while I was PO'ed, I understood the reasoning; All the Ford teams were literally crying during testing on how they were screwed because of the new body. How slow the new car was compared to the T-Bird (which got many a concession to keep up in its last year)

Ford teams sandbagged that one, and we know it. I'm not the biggest NASCAR fan but for some reason I have it in my mind that NASCAR made the Taurus roofline the template for all teams for a few years.....you probably will correct me if I'm wrong.


Now to motors..........YES, the CLEVELAND/YATES heads (sorry Wildman, they are based on Clevelands) were consistently making more HP than GM motors. That's why NASCAR kept giving GM new designs (3 in all??) and as stated, Fords STILL put out more HP.

So the ORIGINAL topic to this thread is: Why does GM dominate?


I don't know, it may be GM throws more money at teams. It may be the TOP GM teams that seem to win are better prepared.

But I won't believe for one second that a money making, capitalistic, opportunist(sp?) corporation like NASCAR would even attempt to cut its own throat by showing favoritism.

It just doesn't make sense to purposely get rid of or alinate a good percentage of your fan base/competitors.


If I were starting a NASCAR team and I approached Ford, GM, Toy and Dodge....as much as I would rather have a Ford team, if GM/Toy gives more support.....I'd probably go with that team.


Ford also has been notorious over the years concerning their support programs.

Look up the Ricky Smith (sp?) Glidden fiasco in Pro Stock...Glidden cried so hard that Ford would spread money/technology over two teams, he threatened to pull out unless he was the only Ford racer..........Ford gave him his way.

Makes me wonder if Roush gets the same treatment now.....


If I were Bill France, I would STRIVE to have all four teams come across the finish line 4 wide in a photo finish every single race.........NASCAR is in it for the $$$$, not for any particular brand of car.

 

Ford doesn't even have the body. The COT (car of tomorrow) all have exactly the same body. The differences between the 4 makes are the decals and engines. NASCAR has evolved into IROC. IROC was conceived as identical cars being driven by drivers from all different types of racing. Isn't that exactly what we have now? With the Montoyas, Andrettis, Stewart, Gordon, etc., haven't we covered almost all other types of racing as was the original intent of IROC?

 

I hope it doesn't come to Roush being the "Ford" team. With the amount of exposure gmna$car....I mean NASCAR does recieve it would be just plain insane for Ford to have only have one premier team. But we all know that money makes the world go round.

Agreed with the photo finish comment. Nascar has been thriving for this for many years and hense lies the "favortism" angle. If one brand starts to dominate than something gets done to level the playing field and the "naysayers" seem to come out of the woodwork and cry foul.

Just wait until Toyota wins their first race......the humanity of it all!

 

[QUOTE=SMIGGS]Yes we have been over this before and it is YOU that seems to want to keep beating a dead horse for whatever reason. For someone who complains that gmna$car is so bias and tainted you seem to know alot about it.[QUOTE]

You're beaten the same horse, only the opposite end, and dead or not! I grew up watching it, watched it morph into wwf reality show style joke. It's nothing but an over-inflated shivy commercial interrupted only by other shivy commercials and only good for a laugh IF I get around to watching it.

[QUOTE=SMIGGS]You make it sound like poor ole' Ford is given nothing but scraps and a V6 engine.[QUOTE]

They may as well and get done with it. What were the results from the past two races(?LOL) with the irocot? Is this parity, gmna$car style? You betcha!

[QUOTE=SMIGGS]Plain and simple, even though this might be hard for you to grasp, Chevy, notably Hendrick and RCR have their acts together. Now with additional funding from Fenway, Roush can step up. RYR will hopefully follow suit.[QUOTE]

Oh, so according to you all the "big $$" shivy teams have their acts together is the excuse for Ford's not doing well huh!?! If you really believe that than I'm sure you'll have no problem adjusting to the "new" version of stock car racing, gmna$car style. No sweat here! They haven't gotten a penny from this guy in many a moon, and apparantly I'm not alone as ratings are a droppin.

Enjoy!

 

http://www.speedwaymedia.com/Article...407Baldeck.asp


From the link:

"It should be noted that overnight TV ratings for the Nextel Cup Series race broadcasted on FOX last weekend from Las Vegas Motor Speedway were up 1.9% compared to last season"

 

Win on Sunday...sell on Monday, was what it was all about for decades. Today, NASCAR has lost touch with reality. With identical cars, which no one can buy anywhere on Monday, who really cares any more? What NASCAR has become = bland faceless cookie cutter cars, and drivers that have the same rotten additudes of baseball players. It's not about racing today, it's nothing more than an overpriced circus with identical animals.

 

..and how many of the other races were down?

 

I read ya loud and clear! I used to look forward to watching a race, not anymore. I'll dvr the races(?) and "maybe" watch later if I'm looking for a laugh.

What really amazes me is folks will shell out big $$ to go watch these over-hyped shivy commercials. That's all they are during broadcast as well, maybe even a bit moreso than live. 9x out of 10 a shivy is the pace car, I see more and more shivy trucks even though Ford is supposedly the official truck of na$car, etc, etc

One thing is for sure, there's a lot of sore folks/fans out there that feel gmna$car has abandoned them, and I'm one of em. Gmna$car now is virtually unrecognizeable from what it was just 10 years ago. Why make such drastic changes in something that got them to what they are now makes no sense to me whatsoever. Everything has changed, cept a few drivers names. It's really sad to see what it has become from what it used to be.

True change is "sometimes" inevitable, but in no way necessary. Many things don't need changed, and many things remain unchanged because they work just fine the way they are.

IMO once they forced the manufacturers to small blocks it started playing into shivy's hands. As well when they started choking the Ford's through restrictor plates and mandatory intakes that started spelling Ford's doom. Ford engines have always been heavy breathing motors! Take away their air, and we have what we have in gmna$car.

Now we have irocot! Like it or not it's here! Supposedly identical bodys! Not sure about chassis' as the rule book isn't published online like are many other racing series, so who's to say! One thing is a for sure in my book, the past two race(?) results don't show parity, not even close!

Sure it's gmna$car's game, but why can't they at least appear to make it look like parity across the board. Look at the recent past and the favoritism is much easier to see based on the distant past. Whether they're playing fav's or not, it certainly appears to me that shivy is being allowed to have the best of both worlds.

Instead of "gray areas" and a slap on the wrist for the shivy's, coupled with no gray areas and point deductions for Ford, dodge and toy teams, I think they could do much better than they have been at policing this so-called parity. Is it really possible to police traction control? I may be wrong, but I don't believe it's entirely possible.

It's now easy to see how it all unfolded while looking back, after all looking back it's always 20/20. I see no indication that gmna$car will be changing to anything I'm looking for in racing anytime soon. So be it, but I won't be taking it lying down though. If something stinks, or even appears to stink I'll be one of the first to point it out, or at least try.

 

...or how about the latest from Jayski's/Scenedaily;

"Final Martinsville TV ratings off 14.5%: Fox's broadcast of the April 1 Goody's Cool Orange 500 Nextel Cup race at Martinsville Speedway earned a final Nielsen Media Research rating of 5.3 and a 13 market share, Street & Smith's SportsBusiness Daily reports. The rating is 14.5% lower than the 6.2/15 the race drew in 2006 but 3.9 percent higher than the 5.1/13 of 2005. The Daily also reported that Fox's broadcast of the March 31 Craftsman Truck Series race at Martinsville drew a final 1.6/4.(SceneDaily.com)(4-12-2007)"

Not good!

 

Dude, we already went through this the LAST time you posted about ratings.
(talk about beating a dead horse??)

Some were down, some were up.............one that was down was still the most watched sporting event that weekend.

I'll find the thread/posts again if you want to continue tenderizing that poor animal.

 

I guess it depends on which website you go to:


http://web.nascar.com/2007/news/head...nia/index.html

 

It's going to be interesting to see what happens to GM when Toyota starts pouring millions of dollars into NASCAR Nextell Cup Racing. That's the major reason NASCAR has brought the Camry into the fold. It's all about the money. Toyota has billions, and NASCAR wants millions.


While I'm sure some dyed in the wool NASCAR fans drive Toyotas, how many of the average Toyota owners will attend a NASCAR Race anytime soon? How many of the street racers that drive "ricer" cars with the phart can exhausts will attend a NASCAR race? It's comical just thinking about it.

 

Bingo! It's just statistics 101. Given the probability factors involved, Cheby should win virtually every time, if the cars are near parity in performance.

There is a pro GM bias going back at least to the early 90's involved I'm sure. I know as much from a private conversation with a team owner during that period. The demographics of Nascar's fan base makes a chevy bias good bussiness policy.