I've got ss stage 1's, 38r turbo, and live tuning. I got 345hp on the dyno at rre. Some said that was a lil low but I think my low compression isn't helping. Good luck in your decision!

 

Right on. Thanks Bulla.

My decision making on this is back and forth now. It's $1,000 for AC's or $1,850 for hybrids. If I am dropping that kind of doe, I would rather spend the extra $850 and get the hybrids, but I cant run hybrids on a stock turbo, so if I go hybrids, I'd need to get a way bigger turbo set up wich would be another hmmmm $2,500 to $3,000.

It's pretty much, if you want a serious set up but dont have $5k to drop on the intense inejctor/turbo combo, you are forced to run stage 1's on a stock turbo, then upgrade to a turbo that is too big for your stage 1's and starve the turbo until you can afford to re-buy bigger injectors and sell your stage 1's.

or

Run stage 1's and a proportionate aftermarket turbo, then re-buy turbo and injectors to go bigger.

It is just frustrating.

At least for a guy that is on a budget, wants more performance upgrades often, but still wants to vier away from inefficient buying (wasteful modding).

Not to mention, my truck is my only vehicle and daily driver, so the $800 dollar core charge for injectors doesn't help.

Anyways, enough whining, I am just still wondering what the heck I am going to do.

 

I guess the best way to do it would be to get the hybrids right off the bat, and have them super tuned down to run on my buddy's turbonetics that he is taking off of his truck. i just dont know how long that turbo would last on injectors like that. Things would be so much easier/cheaper if I had single shots to send in for a budget build to stage 1's

 

Here's my advice; since you don't know me from Adam, you can choose to do what you want with it......

Going with hybrids would be a huge waste of money. You say it's your only vehicle and your daily driver.... Why make your daily driver something that will only become a money pit and then require a whole bunch of money to make reliable and to actually see/feel the benefit of spending more on injectors initially? Have you ever ridden in a 350-400 HP 7.3L? These things are no slouch with >350 HP (and that's quality HP; not smoky, hot, and annoying HP like AD's get at 300 HP). 375 HP will make you grin and will allow your truck to have great manners and still good get-up and go.

You have to decide at which point your truck becomes a toy. Hybrids have the capability of making great power.....but that is only part of the equation (as you've started to realize). Why buy them and then detune? That's a huge waste of money. This next comment is not a slam (because I'm a working stiff that's far from rich myself), but if you can't afford to fix it, then you shouldn't try to build it.

I'm not trying to talk you into 160/0% injectors. I'm not trying to sell you anything. I just think that people get that "keeping up with the Jones'" mentality on these forums and most of the time, what somebody does isn't what everyone should do. Would it be fun to have the capability to make 500+HP? Damn straight it would. Realistically, you have to think about when you'd actually USE that power. Driving down the highway? No. Tooling down the cul-de-sac to your driveway after work? No. Unless you race the truck or use it in competitions of some sort, making HP is just that...a number to brag about.

Hell, I don't use the 400 HP I have (although it was a BLAST before the transmission started slipping in 3rd and 4th!!!!). I used the power a few times at the track and about a dozen or so times on the dyno. Other than that, the other 99.999% of the time I run it, it tows trailers and drives down the road at 72 MPH.

Take it for what it's worth. I've spent a ton of money on things I thought I'd need or had a use for.......

I just try to advise people from making the same mistakes.

 

You need a good HPOP so get the T500. The turbonetics turbo if sound will run stage 2, 200's. You can get over 400HP with that reliable. If you have good exhaust, intake the right tuning you will be very happy. Your pleniums will have to be changed out to. You have 2 inch and the late model is 3 inch. It all helps in the volume of air into the engine. Like said above it would be nice to have four valve per cyclinder heads but we don't. Good luck and let us know what you do. A late model PCM will help with the tuning also.
Chet

 

Thanks. I appreciate the advice. That does shed light on the subject. And to answer your question, no. I have not ridden in a 350-400hp 7.3l. I am sure that it would make me grin. I have only been in the smokey hot 300 like you said. And although most rides in any 7.3 make me grin, I would like to make a good 350-400 at least. The thing is, I will have the money to maintain a 500hp+ truck soon but you are right, i do not want a money pit of a truck. I want a reliable and powerful truck that is capable of daily driving, towing, and hauling *** when I so choose. I am about to look at your sig, but what do you think is the best way to make that healthy quality 350-400hp ?

I am on my way to that point, but I have just been steered away from the GTP38r because it can be "limiting" since you can't build on it if you go bigger. But if you dont plan on going bigger, then that is not an issue at all. They are reasonably priced, and after I get the early to late set up from my bud, it would really cut my costs down.

Thanks for the info.

And I do have the newer pcm ---> 2000' NVK4

I do plan on gettin that HPOP too. Just a matter of time and money.

 

I dyno'd 290 on the 120hp setting with stock turbo and injectors. I'm curious how much I'm losing through the auto tranny and 35" tires?

 

Byrce you said "I do have the newer pcm ---> 2000' NVK4" I remember hearing something about upgrading pcm on e99 to the NVK4. But how does that help a e99 ? That and was wondering if it leaves codes since an e99 does not have a AIH ?
I know this question is a little off tread but I too am in search finding cheap hp verse spending $5g on a stock Early99. I myself going to use stock e99 turbo set up and hope to get 325-350hp without spending a ton of cash.

 

The year 2000 NVK4 was supposedly the best pcm they made for the 99-03 7.3's. I could definately tell the difference in throttle response, power, and shift points when I switched from the e99 one. Now, how does it help the e99 you ask? Well, aside from what I just said, to be honest, once you get tuning, I'm not sure if your pcm makes a difference since the tuning is telling your truck how to run. But it still might. I got my NVK4 when I did not have any tunes so I could feel it.

I bet that tuning on top of a better pcm would be more beneficial than having it on a pcm that is not as good. I could be mistaken though. I'm sure others will chime in.

And no codes thrown as far as I know. Do the guys who have 2000+ get AIH codes thrown when they use a plug?

And that would be awesome. I would be stoked to make 350hp with saay, stage 1's and a Termi t500 on a stock turbo. Not sure if it is possible though.

Anyone have a set of used single or split shots i could buy from them? I'd like to do a budget build but need my truck for a daily driver.

Also, has anybody ran the

 

And what about running these on a single Termi T500?

Premium Stage-2.5: $1600 Upgrades to 200 cc Single Shot Hybrids, nozzles flow 30% over stock.

With correct supporting mods, these are capable of around 400 hp.

 

Bryce, have you read the post from Bill at PHP. He had a stock I believe 2001 that he dyno and then changed to stage 1's and his high HP was around 390hp. He hadn't gone to new turbo or big oil yet on that run. He does have the late turbo but you're going with the turbonetics turbo so you should be okay. And he does have the 17 HPOP so you would need to change that. Read up and give him a call for answer.

Chet

 

Would be just fine. Did you read Robins post. He had his truck dyno'd at RRE last year and put out 478HP with 38R. I saw you didn't like that turbo but to me it is a good realiable turbo, easy to replace if on the road also.
He runs stage 2's thats why I brought it up.
Chet

 

No, I haven't seen that. You have a link?

I'd be interested in looking into that.

 

Have a link? ha. And dont get me wrong, I would love to run a 38r. I have just been steered away from it in the past that is all.

I would be tickled if I could make over 400 with stage 2's a single termi, and a 38r, or similar turbo.

 

Mukster made just shy of 500hp on stage2's, 38r, stealth stage 1or2 hpop, live tuned by Jody, and his own built reg return and tranny. Check his sig!