Ok here is what i got. I have a 2010 f250 6.4 turbo diesel, it has around 8000 miles. The truck is completely stock, I was looking into getting a tuner but I didn't know what kind I would like. I Know with the spartan tuners you can get crazy performance but the thing I have to deal with is keeping the DPF and CAT on due to the fact it still has warrenty. I have talked to my dealership and they said they don't care. But I still would like to have a tuner that doesn't show up on the computer.
Its alot to ask but any info would be greatly appriciated
Thanks

 

Spartan has DPF "on" tunes too. Up to 150hp. I use to run them. Better than stock, but not a lot better. Call me bias, but my opinion is that the Spartan Phalynx (Dashdaq) is the best tuner you can get.

 

Allot of companies make DPF on tuners. Of these, the Banks tuners are the cleanest or most DPF friendly tuners available. They are also CARB approved if your located in California if that matters. Up to 150hp+ depending on the tuner.

 

One thing I like about the Banks is I can remove it in a matter of minutes if I really needed to.

 

I have a banks I will part with.

 

From all the things I've researched and experiences in forums I've read, I seem to conclude the DPF-on tuners other than Banks don't really pay too much attention to the DPF. Most of their focus is on power.

The Banks gives power legally, but it doesn't solve the fundamental 'problem' that a lot of folks here are trying to solve, so to speak.

One thing about tuners is all of them seem to be based on modified versions of a snapshot of an older flash. I could be wrong, but more than likely, they may not based on the latest. It's also questionable if our actual original flash is restored when 'returning to stock'. Example, if I then tuned my rig, and then immediately returned to stock, is it the same or newer? Do we care or is that something I should lose sleep? I don't know. Banks 6-gun doesn't touch the ECM programming. Spartan keeps a copy of the flash from the truck and is used to return to stock

If I'm reading right, the DPF-R doesn't mess with stock shifting or tuning much and simply does the delete, so if you're looking for something closest to stock, this might work best.

H&S has the flexibility of letting us pick and choose the combinations of tunes and shift strategies that are most desirable for our particular preferences/driving habits. What's acceptable shifting to one may be completely unacceptable to another. The shift-on-the fly is convenient to try different power levels without reprogramming the ECM each time.

I don't believe tuners are undetectable. Inline tuners like Banks are probably less detectable. I can think of many simple ways of putting hooks into an ECM to know when or if it was touched, DTC or none. If I was an engineer at Ford, I 'could' update a nonvolatile counter or register in flash with the hour meter every time a download is initiated, simply count the number of start engine cycles since the last download, log the checksum(s) of the previous n-number of cals, or record the hour of when the last regen(s) happened. It doesn't cost anything and it doesn't have to be publicly documented